tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post5402082523702320419..comments2023-04-23T16:25:04.792-06:00Comments on Waldemar Wegelin: Advertising & ArtAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09755481930157115608noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-47090308359634841722008-11-23T18:47:00.000-07:002008-11-23T18:47:00.000-07:00Oscar Wilde once said "all art is quite useless"Oscar Wilde once said "all art is quite useless"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-67208864077711453322007-07-15T18:03:00.000-06:002007-07-15T18:03:00.000-06:00hi lauren, great to get an artist point of view. d...hi lauren, great to get an artist point of view. distinction is important indeed, where it gets interesting though is when both sections cross and are inspired by each other, which is fine in the end. we all know that everything has been done, we're all recycling in a way and trying to do things better.<BR/><BR/>i think you're approach to inspire agencies with art is great!! original.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-74944638856936977492007-07-15T12:08:00.000-06:002007-07-15T12:08:00.000-06:00hey wal! stumbled upon this post - i'm way, way be...hey wal! stumbled upon this post - i'm way, way behind here. and here's my two cents' worth:<BR/><BR/>i think you're absolutely right in the advertising must communicate something [which will shift units]. i do think art still has to communicate something in order for it to be interesting, but it is not bound by commercial or capitalist restraints, which is why it's so fucking important. <BR/><BR/>i actually think it's really important to keep the two separate, because once artists cross into advertising, they cease to have the freedom of expression, but need to be 'on brief' - that is important for getting the job done. as soon as advertising creatives believe that they are creating art, they are hiding the fact that they're trying to sell something [that, perhaps, is unnecessary and that doesn't always feel good]. <BR/><BR/>this is not to say that either is right or wrong, creative, or uncreative, or both cannot be beautiful, but i think the distinction is important, like the difference between fiction and non-fiction, between liberty and restraint.laurenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17926021946906879693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-11690832645346073312007-06-07T10:24:00.000-06:002007-06-07T10:24:00.000-06:00Graoutso, nice to see you here my friend!!! i thin...Graoutso, nice to see you here my friend!!! i think you are totally right! i will have to agree with you <BR/>real good analysis.Adsurdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04846290688992370389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-33265246534033465722007-06-02T04:01:00.000-06:002007-06-02T04:01:00.000-06:00graoutso, i very much like your opinion, you have ...graoutso, i very much like your opinion, you have some points i have to agree to, especially the last one – well said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-4230292802206615372007-05-31T09:43:00.000-06:002007-05-31T09:43:00.000-06:00I think there is no point trying to define if you ...I think there is no point trying to define if you are an artist or not. Neither is there a point to define whether advertisement constitutes art or not. There is no way that you will find a definition of art. After all, definitions are restrictions that exclude many aspects. You can never be sure if you have the perfect definition. from my point of view there is no diferrentiation. It all ends up in aisthetics. Thats what counts. In 100 years time todays' ads will be treated as art and indesposable parts of the history of culture.<BR/>My advice would be:<BR/>Stop worrying about the titles and the identities! If you claim your work as art, then it is art. Thats the only criteria to consider something as art. The rest is details. Just create. and the only sure thing I could say about art is that it carries the power of creation and inspiration. If you have these 2....you're an artist whatever the others might think..graoutsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00667160324456146101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-58936883308871905442007-04-26T03:57:00.000-06:002007-04-26T03:57:00.000-06:00I used to try and do both...be before I was taken;...I used to try and do both...be before I was taken; to the other side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-17135807240834192222007-04-25T17:22:00.000-06:002007-04-25T17:22:00.000-06:00lovely debate my friend! but it;s along discussion...lovely debate my friend! but it;s along discussion, however i have to admit that i agree mostly with your opinion on the subject i just always have in my mind that advertising is a form of art.. i might post for that.<BR/><BR/><BR/>CiaoAdsurdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04846290688992370389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-28222725871339201682007-04-25T08:47:00.000-06:002007-04-25T08:47:00.000-06:00marco? do you mean the one with the cat? i have th...marco? do you mean the one with the cat? i have the container with the posters in germany so i will look up on the weekend, bu i doubt i've still got yours in it.<BR/><BR/>@rieur: never, no streamlining the process please, it should be creative shouldn't it? but some companies are trying to invent 'idea' processes, personally i think it's bshit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-43075777976604140132007-04-25T08:44:00.000-06:002007-04-25T08:44:00.000-06:00hey val,nettes poster!wenn du deins hast, dann mus...hey val,<BR/>nettes poster!<BR/>wenn du deins hast, dann muss du ja noch meins haben. war ja auch in der huelle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-43840689588896856742007-04-24T14:30:00.000-06:002007-04-24T14:30:00.000-06:00Hey Val,Definitely a nice conversation.We should h...Hey Val,<BR/><BR/>Definitely a nice conversation.<BR/>We should have more like that.<BR/><BR/>To enrich the debate and launch another subject.<BR/><BR/>If advertising is not Art, all ads produced are Artefacts, prototypes, unique objects. <BR/><BR/>And this objects are definitely crafted by the hands. Given the small number of people involved I will call people who design advertising Artisan, Craftmans.<BR/><BR/>Creative are not artist. But Artisans.<BR/><BR/>This raises many questions : Artisan were extinct during industrial revolution. Is there an industrial revolution of advertising coming ?<BR/>Can the intellectual production process be optimized, streamlined ?<BR/>Will the future creatives be chain workers ?<BR/><BR/>Le Jetliner RieurAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-76165588203938640192007-04-24T07:02:00.000-06:002007-04-24T07:02:00.000-06:00Ok, but that means we're not creating but converti...Ok, but that means we're not creating but converting. Why do we call ourselves creatives then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35498698.post-16485772841639950402007-04-24T06:12:00.000-06:002007-04-24T06:12:00.000-06:00You can be an artist and work in advertising too, ...You can be an artist and work in advertising too, why not? Only trouble is it often takes a long time to create art. e.g. Fischli & Weiss film probably took ages. We haven't got that time. That's why we have to look for existing stuff...Scamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13452038283410892541noreply@blogger.com